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    How to create a good team.

    Post by SM2 on Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:58 am

    Well, heres another sm2 production starring SM2! who else? Well, hooh requested a ''How to be a good trainer/How to make a good team'' guide, so I'm making it.

    First of all, lets learn about the ''roles'' in a pokemon team.

    Sweepers:
    Sweepers are commonly pokemon with more then average offensive capabilities, and decent speed capabilities to match, but usually lacks in the defensive areas. A sweeper comes in three forms, special and physical and mixed.

    A Common physical sweeper is a pokemon such as heracross. With its amazing STAB powered moves, resistances, 125 base attack and 85 base speed, it does its job well, physical sweepers attack from the defensive side. Physical sweepers usually have either a attack boosting move/ ability such as swords dance or guts, or an extraordinary attak stat.

    A common special Sweeper is a pokemon such as Gengar. It has an extraordinary movepool, great coverage and is open to be used to many sets. special sweepers attack from the special defensive side. Special sweepers usually have either a special attack boosting move such as nastly plot, or an extraordinary special attack stat.

    A common mixed sweeper is a pokemon such as infernape. It has a helpful 108 base speed enabling it too outspeed positive 105 base speed pokemon, has acsess to a vast movepool and has offensive boosting moves to boost its average special attack and attack. Mixed sweepers attack from both physical and special sides, meaning countering it is a hard job to do. Mixed sweepers usually have average offensive skills, but might have either speed or defences that let them take hits/outspeed things whilst boosting their offensive moves or sweep with their exceptional movepool.


    Walls:
    Walls are commonly pokemon with more then average defensive capabilities, and a decent HP stat. They are like the counter-parts to sweepers. Walls are used to counter sweepers, but certain walls cannot take hits from both special and physical hits. Like sweepers, walls come in 3 kinds. Special, physical and dual walls.

    A common physical wall is a pokemon such as skarmory, with its high defence, decent hp and great typing, even the greatest of physical sweepers should fear it. Physical walls take hits from the defensive side usually having self-healing moves such as roost.

    A common special wall is a pokemon such as blissey, with its VERY high hp, more then average special defence and great supporting movepool, blissey can set your next team member up, being one of the best for the job. Special walls take hits from the special side, usually having self-healing moves aswell such as softboiled.

    A common dual wall is a pokemon such as cresselia with its more then average defenses AND all the hp other walls wish they had, it also has a decent movepool, cresselia is able to match with most sweepers of any kind and take hits easily. Dual walls can take hits from both sides with their decent defences/ hp.

    Tanks:
    Tanks are like walls/sweepers, just less defensive and faster, but can still do the defensive job whilst supporting and hitting back. There are, like sweepers and walls, three kinds of tanks. Physical, special and mix tanks. I dont really need to explain these, so i'll just give you an example or two. Suicune has sweeping capabilities aswell as decent defensives, its typing allows it to have great resistances and has great type coverage to hit back with.

    Hazers & Phazers:
    Hazer/Phazers are pokemon that use roar/whirlwind to rid of a pokemon's stat boosts, for example, a skarmory could use whirlwind to a dragon dancing gyarados, the gyarados' status boosts would be nullified as its switched out.

    Baton Passers:
    Baton passers are useful supporters as they can give a pokemon the speed and power it needs to sweep entire teams. Baton pass woks differently then just normally switching out, baton pass carries on any stat boosts from the previous pokemon onto the next, unfortunetly, it also includes negative stat effects. A nice baton passer would have to be ninjask, with its speed boost ability, and fast speed, it can freely bp all it wants.

    Spinner:
    Spinners are pokemon who use the move ''rapid spin'', in the d/p generation, rapid spin has gained even more importance as the introduction of stealth rock has agained popularity. Rapid spin is used to blow away spikes, toxic spikes and stealth rock. Good spinners are pokemon such as forretress and starmie who resist the effects of spikes and stealth rock.

    Cleric:
    A cleric are pokemon that heal other team member's status problems, such as parylysis and burn. A cleric is a useful member to have on your team as it would keep your pokemon fresh and battle ready. Good clerics are pokemon like blissey and celebi.

    Spiker:
    A spiker is usually a pokemon that uses either spikes, stealth rock, or toxic spikes. These pokemon are useful as they set up conditions in which can determine if a pokemon could be ohko'd or not. Useful spikers are pokemon such as forretress, tentacrueal and skarmory.

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    Commonly seen pokemon in OU
    These should always be noticed in your threat list and atleast one should always be used if you're battling compettetively.

    Blissey
    Definitely the most used pokemon in OU. The best special sponge found in these tiers, Blissey can also support a team with Thunder wave, wish, and Light Screen. Should always be the first pokemon you think about when building a team.

    Skarmory
    Still one of best, if not the best, physical wall in the game. Great type combination gives it resistances to plenty of types, and spikes combined with Whirlwind or roar will annoy the opponent for days! Cant go wrong with Skarmory.

    Salamence
    Scary is one word to describe Salamence! Not only can it hit you hard with special attacks like Draco Meteor now, but it can hit just as hard with physical attacks. Its unpreditability makes it one of the hardest pokemon to counter in this generation.

    Tyranitar
    Wow! People sure dont want to face this pokemon. Not only does it have great stats and a great movepool, but it probably has the best ability in the game. Sandstream messes with reveralers and leftovers, and it also gives all rock pokemon, like Tyranitar herself, a large special defense boost! A great pokemon to use, but be careful because its ability can mess with your team as well.

    Gyrados
    Dont be fulled by its cuteness! Gyrados will send shivers down your spine! Gyrados can and will take a hit or too, and will retaliate back with plenty of force. If Gyrados can get 1 or 2 dragon dances in, you are in for a world of pain.

    Heracross
    Few pokemon can hit as hard as Heracross. With so many powerful moves like Swords Dance, Close Combat, and Megahorn...and with a great ability like Guts...Heracross can hurt anything not named Gliscor.

    Gengar
    You have to like Gengar. Great special attack...and a movepool that well make most pokemon jealous. Gengar will make your blood boil.

    Cresselia
    You rarely see a pokemon as hard to take down as Cresselia. Depending on its nature and moves, it can take special attacks or physical attacks all day. Cresselia can be a reliable defender on your team.

    Infernape
    This crazy monkey is crazy indeed! It has a movepool that most can only dream about, and is capable of sweeping on either the physical or special side. Frail, but very powerful

    Garchomp
    Yay for the Landshark! Garchomp is definitely one of the most powerful pokemon in OU, having high stats everywhere. Not only that, but it can boost its attack with swords dance! And good luck trying to hit it in a sandstorm.

    Threat list and counters
    Theres nothing worse then having half or more of your team get KOed by a single pokemon. Or being walled by a single pokemon for 10 turns. So heres the list of the pokemon that you need to make sure that you can defeat, and, the pokemon that can defeat them:

    Azelf (Thunderbolt, Hp-Ice, Flamethrower, Grass Knot)
    - Counters: Blissey, Empoleon

    Blissey ( Seismic Toss, Softboiled, ThunderWave, Ice Beam)
    - Counters: Machamp, Heracross, Electrive

    Bronzong ( Hypnosis, Earthquake, Gyro Ball, Stealth Rock)
    - Counters: Milotic, Gyrados

    Cresselia (Calm Mind, Ice Beam, Psychic, Moonlight)
    - Counters: Tyranitar, Metagross, Dusknoir

    Garchomp ( Earthquake, Fire Blast, Swords Dance, Dragon Claw)
    - Counters: Cresselia, Slowbro

    Gengar ( ShadowBall, Thunderbolt, Hypnosis, Focus Blast)
    -Counters: Weavile, Jirachi

    Gyrados ( Waterfall, Taunt, Earthquake, Dragon Dance)
    -Counters: Tangrowth

    Heatran ( Earthpower, Hidden Power Ice, Lava Plume, Explosion)
    -Counters: Gyrados, Milotic, Blissey

    Heracross ( Close Combat, Megahorn, Stone Edge, Night Slash)
    -Counters: Weezing, Gliscor, Skarmory

    Metagross (Agility, Meteor Mash, Earthquake, Thunderpunch)
    -Counters: Gliscor, Swampert, Bronzong

    Porygon Z ( Nasty Plot, Tri Attack, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam)
    -Counters: Blissey, Heatran, Tyranitar

    Rhyperior ( Earthquake, Megahorn, Stone Edge, Avalanche)
    -Counters: Swampert, Milotic, Bronzong

    Salamence ( Draco Meteor, Hydro Pump, Dragon Pulse, Flamethrower)
    -Counters: Blissey, Cresselia, Milotic

    Skarmory ( Roost, Brave Bird, Spikes, Whirlwind)
    -Counters: Magnezone, Heatran, Raikou

    Tyranitar ( Crunch, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Pursuit)
    -Counters: Hippowdon, Swampert, Bronzong

    Weavile ( Night Slash, Ice Punch, Brick Break, Swords Dance)
    -Counters: Rhyperior, Metagross, Infernape

    Things to watch out for:

    1. Spikes -Stacking move that stays on the field throught the battle. Does damage to an opponent's pokemon whenever they switch in a new Pokemon. 1/8 damage with one layer, 1/6 with two layers, and 1/4 damage with three layers. Flying types and Pokemon with the ability Levitate are immune to Spikes. Can only be removed with Rapid Spin.

    2. Stealth Rock - The new rock version of spikes (but stealth rock doesnt stack). Causes 12.5 % damage to neutral pokemon on switch ins, 1/4 damage to those 2x weak to rock, and 1/2 damage to those 4x weak to rock. It will also do 6.25% damage to pokemon that resist rock.
    12.5% damage to those that resist rock 4x. Make sure to use a spinner if you use a lot of pokemon weak to this.

    3. Toxic Spikes - Another new version of spikes. Toxic spikes can stack, from poisoning the pokemon on switch ins on the first time to badly poisoning the pokemon on switch ins the second time its used. Not seen as much as regular spikes or stealth rock. Can be removed with rapid spin.
    4. Baton Pass - Less then 50% of teams use baton passers, but it is something to watch out for. A hazer like Weezing or a pokemon with roar or whirlwind like Suicune and Skarmory can prevent passing.
    5. Status Effects - Watch out for status effects. These effects can really hamper your team if you let it. Effects can prevented with a healer like Blissey or Celebi. Certain effects can be countered with the right pokemon, like Heatran for Will O Wips and Electrivire for Thunder Waves. You can also turn effects into advantages with pokemon with Guts like Heracross and Machamp.

    Hints and Tips
    1. Know where to put your evs. This isnt too hard...just make sure to know what stats you are aiming for before you start. Also make sure not to waste evs. exp: No need to max a Weavile's max speed right? Because the next fastest pokemon is Alakazam at 372. You just saved 36 evs!

    2. Know your weaknesses. Make sure you know what types your pokemon are weak to, and make sure you are able to counter those weaknesses. exp: If you use Gyrados and Skarmory on your team, it might be good to use an Electrivire to counter your electric weaknesses. Try not to have a lot of pokemon weak to one type.

    3. Use a good mix of pokemon. A team with all walls wont be able to do a lot of damage. A team with all sweepers will be taken down quickly. Make sure to use a mix of both to prevent getting beat badly. Because of all the hard hitting physical attackers now, a physical wall is almost neccessary. Only half to 4 of your pokemon should be sweepers.

    4. Credits
    -Miyona and her friends (Thank them or she'll bitch at me >_>)
    -SM2 that cool dude who voulenteered to write this thing.
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    Re: How to create a good team.

    Post by SM2 on Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:58 am

    Stat comparisons
    This includes all of the pokemon in the OU metagame. This includes the max stats for every pokemon used competitively in this metagame, including choice band, choice scarf, and life orb. Beneficial natures unless noted otherwise.


    Hit Points
    714 - Blissey
    504 - Slaking
    444 - Cresselia
    434 - Rhyperior
    424 - Mamoswine
    420 - Hippowdon
    420 - Garchomp
    404 - Tyranitar
    404- Swampert
    404 - Suicune
    404 - Jirachi
    404 - Celebi
    404 - Tangrowth
    394 - Gyrados
    394 - Slowbro
    394 - Milotic
    394 - Salamence
    386 - Dragonite
    386 - Heatran
    384 - Machamp
    384 - Donphan
    384 - Raikou
    374 - Togekiss
    374 - Staraptor
    374 - PorygonZ
    364 - Aerodactyl
    364 - Metagross
    364 - Heracross
    356- Infernape
    354 - Gliscor
    354- Azelf
    354- Electrivire
    354 - Forretress
    344 - Scizor
    344 - Weavile
    344 - Magnezone
    344 - Lucario
    338 - Bronzong
    334 - Weezing
    334 - Skarmory
    326 - Ninjask
    324 -Breloom
    324 - Medicham
    324 - Starmie
    324 - Gengar
    294 - Dusknoir

    Attack
    720 - Choice Band Medicham
    690 - Choice Band Slaking
    624 - Life Orb Medicham
    624 - Choice Band Rhyperior
    607 - Choice Band Salamence
    607 - Choice Band Metagross
    604 - Choice Band Tyranitar
    604 - Choice Band Dragonite
    598 - Life Orb Slaking
    591 - Choice Band Machamp
    591 - Choice Band Garhcompo
    574 - Choice Band Heracross
    558 - Choice Band Weavile
    558 - Choice Band Staraptor
    540 - LIfe Orb Rhyperior
    532 - Choice Band Hippowdon
    526 - Life Orb Salamence
    526 - Life Orb Metagross
    525 - Choice Band Swampert
    525 - Choice Band Lucario
    523 - LIfe Orb Dragonite
    523 - Life Orb Tyranitar
    512 - Life Orb Machamp
    512 - Life Orb Scizor
    512 - Life Orb Breloom
    512 - Life Orb Garchomp
    512 - Life Orb Mamoswine
    508 - Choice Band Aerodactyl
    505 - Choice Band Infernape
    497 - Life Orb Heracross
    497 - Life Orb Gyrados
    497 - Life Orb Azelf
    492 - Life Orb Electrivire
    483 - Life Orb Staraptor
    483 - Life Orb Weavile
    480 - Medicham (with huge power)
    460 - Slaking
    455 - Life Orb Swampet
    455 - Life Orb Lucario
    440 - Life Orb Aerodactyl
    438 - Life Orb Infernape
    416 - Rhyperior
    405 - Salamence
    405 - Metagross
    403 - Tyranitar
    403 - Dragonite
    394 - Machamp
    394 - Scizor
    394 - Breloom
    394 - Garhcomp
    394 - Mamoswine
    383 - Heracross
    383 - Gyrados
    383 - Azelf
    379 - Electrivire
    372 - Donphan
    372 - Staraptor
    372 - Weavile
    355 - Hippowdon
    350 - Swampert
    350 - Lucario
    339 - Aerodactyl
    337 - Infernape
    328 - Tangrowth
    328 - Dusknoir
    328 - Jirachi
    328 - Celebi
    317 - Gliscor
    306 - Weezing
    306 - Ninjask
    306 - Heatran
    304 - Bronzong
    295 - Raikou
    284 - Skarmory
    284 - Porygon Z
    274 - Suicune
    273 - Starmie
    273 - Slowbro
    262 - Roserade
    262 - Magnezone
    262 - Cresselia
    251 - Gengar
    240- Milotic
    218 - Togekiss
    130 - Blissey

    Defense
    416 - Skarmory
    405 - Dusknoir
    394 - Rhyperior
    394 - Metagross
    383 - Gliscor
    383 - Tangrowth
    372 - Donphan
    372 - Cresselia
    372 - Weezing
    368 - Hippowdon
    364 - Bronzong
    361 - Suicune
    361 - Magnezone
    350 - Tyranitar
    350 - Slowbro
    350 - Tyranitar
    342 - Heatran
    328 - Scizor
    328 - Celebi
    328 - Slaking
    328 - Jirachi
    317 - Dragonite
    317 - Garchomp
    317 - Togekiss
    306 - Swampert
    295 - Starmie
    284 - Salamence
    284 - Machamp
    284 - Mamoswine
    284 - Breloom
    282 - Milotic
    282 - Gyrados
    273 - Raikou
    273 - Heracross
    273 - Medicham
    265 - Infernape
    262 - Azelf
    262 - Lucario
    262 - Staraptor
    262 - Porygon Z
    256 - Electrivire
    252 - Weavile
    251 - Aerodactyl
    240 - Gengar
    207 - Ninjask
    130 - Blissey

    Special Attack
    607 - Choice Specs Porygon Z
    591 - Choice Specs Gengar
    591 - Choice Specs Heatran
    591 - Choice Specs Magnezone
    574 - Choice Specs Azelf
    558 - Choice Specs Togekiss
    541 - Choice Specs Raikou
    541 - Choice Specs Lucario
    526 - Life Orb Porygon Z
    525 - Choice Specs Salamence
    525 - Choice Specs Tangrowth
    512 - Life Orb Gengar
    512 - Life Orb Magnezone
    512 - Life Orb Heatran
    505 - Choice Specs Infernape
    497 - LIfe Orb Azelf
    492 - Choice Specs Starmie
    492 - Choice Specs Dragonite
    483 - Life Orb Togekiss
    469 - Life Orb Lucario
    469 - Life Orb Raikou
    455 - Life Orb Salamence
    455 - Life Orb Tangrowth
    442 - Choice Specs Weezing
    438 - Life Orb Infernape
    426 - Life Orb Starmie
    426 - Life Orb Dragonite
    426 - Life Orb Jirachi
    426 - Life Orb Celebi
    426 - Life Orb Milotic
    405 - Porygon Z
    394 - Gengar
    394 - Magnezone
    394 - Heatran
    383 - Azelf
    372 - Togekiss
    361 - Raikou
    361 - Lucario
    350 - Salamence
    350 - Tangrowth
    337 -Infernape
    328 - Starmie
    328 - Slowbro
    328 - Dragonite
    328 - Milotic
    328 - Celebi
    328 - Jirachi
    317 - Slaking
    317 - Electrivire
    317 - Metagross
    317 - Tyranitar
    306 - Suicune
    295 - Weezing
    295 - Swampert
    284 - Garchomp
    282 - Bronzong
    273 - Blissey
    273 - Cresselia
    262 - Mamoswine
    258 - Hippowdon
    251 - Machamp
    251 - Dusknoir
    240 - Breloom
    240 - Aerodactyl
    240 - Donphan
    240 - Medicham
    240 - Gyrados
    229 - Scizor
    229 - Rhyperior
    218 - Ninjask
    218 - Staraptor
    218 - Regirock
    207 - Gliscor
    207 - Weavile
    196 - Skarmory
    196 - Heracross

    Special Defense
    492 - Sandstorm Tyranitar
    409 - Sandstorm Aerodactyl
    405 - Blissey
    405 - Dusknoir
    394 - Cresselia
    383 - Milotic
    364 - Bronzong
    361 - Suicune
    361- Togekiss
    343 - Sandstorm Rhyperior
    342 - Heatran
    328 - Gyrados
    328 - Dragonite
    328 - Tyranitar
    328 - Celebi
    328 - Jirachi
    328 - Raikou
    317 - Heracross
    306 - Metagross
    306 - Swampert
    306 - Magnezone
    295 - Machamp
    295 - Weavile
    295 - Electrivire
    295 - Starmie
    284 - Slowbro
    284 - Scizor
    284 - Salamence
    273 - Porygon Z
    273 - Medicham
    273 - Gliscor
    273 - Gengar
    273 - Aerodactyl
    267 - Hippowdon
    265 - Infernape
    262 - Lucario
    262 - Skarmory
    262 - Weezing
    262 - Staraptor
    262 - Azelf
    251 - Slaking
    240 - Mamoswine
    240 - Donphan
    240 - Breloom
    229 - Rhyperior
    218 - Ninjask


    Speed
    460 - Ninjask
    454 - CS Garchomp@ neutral nature
    448 - CS Staraptro@ neutral nature
    448 - CS Salamence@ neutral nature
    426 - CS Medicham
    418 - CS Porygon Z@ neutral nature
    418 - CS Lucario@ neutral nature
    417 - CS Heatran
    403 - CS Heracross@ neutral nature
    394 - Aerodactyl
    393 - CS Breloom
    393 - CS Metagross
    391 - CS Gyrados
    383 - Weavile
    361 - Starmie
    361 - Azelf
    361 - Raikou
    350 - Gengar
    347 - Infernape
    343 - CS Machamp
    333 - Garchomp
    328 - Salamence
    328 - Jirachi
    328 - Celebi
    328 - Slaking
    328 - Staraptor
    317 - Electrivire
    317 - Gliscor
    306 - Porygon Z
    306 - Lucario
    295 - Cresselia
    295 - Suicune
    295 - Heracross
    287 - Milotic
    287 - Gyrados
    284 - Dragonite
    284 - Medicham
    284 - Mamoswine
    284 - Togekiss
    278 - Heatran
    262 - Breloom
    262 - Skarmory
    262 - Metagross
    251 - Scizor
    243 - Tyranitar
    240 - Magnezone
    240 - Weezing
    240 - Swampert
    229 - Machamp
    229 - Blissey
    218 - Tangrowth
    218 - Donphan
    212 - Hippowdon
    207 - Dusknoir
    196 - Rhyperior
    181 - Bronzong
    174 - Slowbro

    Credit miyona for this thing.

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